Apr 20, 2020 · Had the wrong receiver type listed my apologies. (note this should have never happened) i have purchased several receivers from 2012 to 2020 with no problems. Mar 8, 2023 · The general consensus among RKI is that DSA had some quality control issues a few years back but has since tightened up. Sep 20, 2016 · Introduction. Location. The cast 4140 upper receiver is engraved with the proper Hebrew markings just as they were originally made. My question is up to what DS serial number are the receivers forged by LMT? DS 3XXXX? or DS 4XXXX? Thanks in advance. Jun 19, 2023 · 1,460. 3. 95% of all FN made FALs in the US are cast receiver guns. " and a serial number on the magwell side. This is one of the receivers that DSA had a sale on and sold for < $300 a few years ago. Many years ago their receivers were forged on contract by LMT, and they are widely considered the best. Mar 31, 2018 · Hope these pictures help. I'm looking to get a new rifle now that I'm in a better financial situation. xml file and refer to the following code. Fear21 said: Here's the no-nonsense short version on DSA - if you want a DSA FAL, find one that has a serial prefix of DS. The ZM4 Enhanced’s 16-inch, M4-profile, 4140 chrome-moly barrel also features good-looking and functional flutes on the exposed portion. File size. Oct 6, 2019 · Almost any ban era rifle is going to be good. I'm annoyed that DSA wants ~ $400 for it's current cast receiver. Seen the stripped receivers sell for over $800. General consensus appears to be that the cast receivers are fine. DSA has only been making cast receivers Oct 14, 2020 · The originals came without the ejector blocks and they tried to stick us with a $50 upcharge for the install of the block. #12. DSA has had some QC issues in machining through the years (which went on far too long) but I have never seen or heard of an issue with a cast receiver because it was a casting. Just In 50k rounds the FAL rifle would need many barrels(and Locking shoulders) and probably a hammer or 2, lots of springs and pins and for certain many gas system parts. Avoid them. The lower receiver has a relief cut back on the recoil plate, and the stock tang is removed. Selling to fund other projects. It is of the British pattern, which makes it unique, as no other companies have released a British pattern receiver. Feb 9, 2018 · 68. Thread starter DakTo; Start date Jun 6, 2017; Status If I recall, FN said their forged receivers would last approx 80k rounds and a cast would last approx 40k rounds. 62x51 NATO FMJ ball ammo and start sighting it in. They're still using surplus parts but the better surplus parts kits are long gone or too expensive to be profitable. Cross posted on AK files. Its primary attraction was its comparatively low cost – about 30% less than an import before the receiver-import ban, and now perhaps Here is my returned/replaced DSA cast receiver for which R1shooter became involved, expediting the processing of my return. I would assume since the Voyager is their new economy rifle the upper would be cast as well. To my knowledge FN never imported a Type 1 receiver and a G series receiver is good to go but not much of an option to find an available one. 62X51. Aug 22, 2013 · With Oct 1 fast approaching, I wanted to find a DS Arms SA58 Para (FAL). As far as advice on what to do with it I would lube it up after inspecting and cleaning the gas system and bolt carrier group then take it to the range with about 200 rounds of 145 - 155 grain 7. See full list on gunmagwarehouse. If there is some dimensional issue he is able to overcome it. 1. Having said that, DSA's cast Type II receivers are widely and highly respected. 104XX type one receiver, They used a SED marked lower with horizontal release lever with the serial number routered out as you can see it when the lever is pulled all the way up, With a Argentine proofed 16 inch barrel NON bipod cut, Steyr Oval marked Bolt/Carrier. Haven't heard him squall Dec 28, 2013 · DSA’s AR barrels arrive with extensions in place rifled and chambered for 5. Over several months I evaluated their changes and recently received a fourth production receiver. Blooms are further hot processed into smaller "billets". CHEYENNE, WY. So with that being said. Oct 17, 2005 · All FN FAL receivers are milled from something, whether it be a billet, forging, or casting depends on the manufacture and the period. Feedback: 20 / 0 / 0. Go. DS Arms is a quality firearms manufacturer specializing in the FAL Rifle, AR15 Rifle and RPD Rifle and latest parts & accessories. Finally, they installed the blocks and raised their price a little. Milsurp magazines fit fine and I have no feeding issues. They do currently offer forged receivers, but from what I can gather the current machined cast receivers are just fine if you want to save some money. Feb 8, 2019 · Thinking about the new production DSA Israeli FAL going to $1,500. You'll spend enough on ammo to buy 10 new rifles by the time you start running into issues with the receiver's integrity, not to mention there will be a dozen other things that will break / wear out first (barrel, extractor, etc. Built on ISRAELI parts kits but with a USA cast receiver, 4150 phosphate barrel, and other domestic parts. Did six DSA Israeli receivers of the weekend all 6 failed to lockup properly. Feb 8, 2017 · Only one set of issues: missing ejector blade and pin and the locking shoulder dogleg hole was slightly short on one of the receivers. Otherwise, they have been very good. Asking $360 shipped. 308 WIN/7. Reading Gunplumber's DSA rants are like listening to fingernails on a blackboard. After tinkering with it a bit more last night, I actually discovered that it's the magazine catch screw "causing" the issue. Dec 4, 2020 · On the original topic, my Google research led me to DS Arms FALs with serial numbers with a DS prefix are forged receivers, DSA 28388 and below are also forged. Ruger Mini-14s and Springfield M1As both have cast receivers, have been in production for decades, and I haven't heard of anyone having problems with receivers catastrophically failing. Cast, forged, machined from solid billet doesn't matter if it's made out of spec. Yes there was some quality issues around the dsa32xxx mark but simple adjustments a component gunsmith could make fixed those issues for the most part. The type of receiver is cosmetic and most any kit can be built on any receiver. Mag fit, timing, headspace all within normal range. This requires custom rear sights or custom stubby front sight or both. Jun 15, 2016 · We may earn a commission for products purchased through links on this page DSA receivers DSA doesn't sell the "cast" receivers except in specific rifles they sell and build themselves. I do not have the tools necessary to assemble a rifle from a parts kit. Upper is cast, used to be forged, never billet. N. The cast receivers were known to be hit or miss. M4E1 Lower Receiver vs. Description: This is a gently-used DSA SA58 rifle with an early, desirable receiver that was made for DSA by LMT. Instructions on how to leave feedback ratings can be found HERE Apr 4, 2015 · I have a question on the correct markings on a BGS receiver. If the ACE is anything like the original Galil AR or ARM, it would be a fantastic battle rifle and would be much better than an FN FAL, HK 91, or PTR 91. With our own production facilities, DSA offer a wide range of decorative glass solutions for architectural and interior applications. Worn Parkerized lowers will sometimes lockup correctly without modifying the upper. Choose this cast receiver app name in the device list and the mirroring will begin. All G1 /R1 / l1A1 receivers are forged and were made by Lmt as are the DS prefix receivers. Mar 2, 2003 · The latest DSA run of their FAL cast receivers. I was looking into DSA's rifles and saw that the Voyager rifles seem to be their budget line, and have cast receivers. To be honest, cast vs forged No they are not. I am looking at purchasing a complete DSA FAL in the near future. Oct 7, 2012 · Feedback: 0 / 0 / 0. Headspaced the rifle using forster 762 NATO min/max gauges and installed the appropriate size locking shoulder. I don’t believe any of their new rifles have forged receivers, but the cast ones seem to work fine. I have a DSA and the quality compared to my Frankenfals is actually better, DSA has been a great company to deal with in my personal experience. Mar 3, 2024. I have heard about problems building Century receivers, but I have also heard about DSA having problems after they were built. The Citadel, Montana. Anyone with DSA receiver issues is certainly behind the times. Nov 10, 2012 · After following the recent thread and argument about cast and forged I realized that many of you know way more about cars than the guns we are discussing and that I had a way to make the issue a little smaller. Jan 5, 2019 · Serial number starting with DS appears to indicate it's an LMT forging, and yes - "Grayslake, IL" is imprinted on the receiver. The receiver being out of spec is the root cause, but not in the area of the magwrll not being milled out enough. I have been buying/building dsa since 2010. Nov 22, 2006 · IMBEL receivers, at least the earlier production, are purported to be fully forged, while DSA receivers are purported to be machined from top-notch billet steel. Feb 13, 2020 · DSA prefix serials are typically cast recievers made in house at DSA. Ordered 3 in the last 6 months and had them delivered to him and he built me an STG, n Israelie HB, and slowly a pistol. Look for Imbel/Argie FMAP/or DS prefix DSA receiver builds those are all forged receivers. That may be as close as you can get. They carried those improvements over to the 9mm versions. I could not get within 10 degrees of properly timing. #1. Go to the activity_main. Basic short answer. I would also avoid century made receivers, as well as coonan and enterprise, although I hear the early coonans are OK. Stop making cast receivers and focus on forged ones. See serial numbers are in the photos - you can see the font differences. My question is about the durability of Cast vs Forged. DC Industries LAR-1 Metric Pattern FAL Stripped Receiver . Seemingly, when the receiver manufacturers tire of the builders for profit Feb 23, 2020 · The stock and the MLOK handguard finish off the whole rifle to be a beautifully modernized work horse. Their new SA58s are definitely built on new, cast DSA receivers, not forged Brazilian Imbels. PLEASE NOTE picture #2 is the ole Frankenstein cast receivers from Fed Arms and later DC. Sweet rifle, but I wouldn't buy any current DSA rifles/receivers. I was wondering when DSA would either discontinue the specialty receivers or raise the prices to perhaps $800. Feedback: 213 / 0 / 0. F. 010" shim which brought it back to about 10:30. Entréprise Arms sent me pre-production L1A1 receivers for review and comment. The model sent to me to review has a street price around $2,300. However, aluminum has many other properties that make it unsuitable for a firearm receiver that takes repeated impact stresses, and it will eventually fail. FN went to a casting because the service life was at least 50k rounds. EX1 Well-known member. Forged Steel Receivers. This receiver is cast. Yes FAL aficionados prefer LMT receivers to DSA (DSA made poor spec for years and dumped them on the market) but no most DSA receivers aren't cast. Fabrique Nationale (FN) type III receivers = milled from a casting to cut costs, 1973 onwards. This is brand new and has never been built. Thanks. Thread starter EX1; Start date May 22, 2024; E. Jan 28, 2010 · Seems that the folks at FN believed that cast receivers were alright. 2. (updated 04-09-2020) Introduction. The DSA SA58 comes with a hefty price tag. Thread starter R1shooter; Start date Oct 22, 2004 · Well-known member. Coonan sells Receivers with G1 markings. Manufactured Chrome Lined 4150 Barrel; 7. May 17, 2018 #8 #8 May 17, 2018. The rest looks like a mixture of FN and stg58 parts, but the muzzle brake is a ban era creation. Lawrence states the receiver is “induction heat-treated at the front ring and drawn back toward the receiver center. I don't see the problem with a cast receiver if DSA has a good casting company do the castings and the metallurgy and heat treat is right. Is cast versus forged a 40,000 round versus a 60,000 round receiver? Sep 20, 2016 · FAL Review: Century Arms International L1A1 Receiver. (Update: Coonan Now offers UK cut). 005-. I want to start my Izzy build but can't decide if I want their forged Izzy receiver or buy this discounted cast unit and have Feb 3, 2022 · 4140 Fully Machined & Heat Treated Cast Steel Type 1 Non Carry Handle Cut Receiver; DSA SA58 FAL Extreme Duty Scope Mount & Brass Catcher Combo . Oct 15, 2017 · Crestview. Feedback: 281 / 1 / 0. 00. DS prefix receivers are more desirable. They are JUNK. Beyond the cast/forged debate, the early DSA receivers don't require any "fitting" like the newer ones do on occasion, and Mar 11, 2008 · I have posted the massive failures of DSA receivers by serial number, and the notes should say "already returned to DSA" or "Returned to DSA 2x" From 2017 to 2020. Make sure your Android phone and PC are connected to the same network. Just Smack the stripped lower receiver closed a few times. ) I have a great love for the old-style, Portuguese-language Gear Logo IMBEL as imported by PAC; these assembled flawlessly for me and are fantastic May 2, 2002 · DSA receivers made by LMT are all DS10000 thru DS44000+ The typical III & IV in regards to FN is forged vs cast. While these discrepancies are "slight" inasmuch as I have to machine "only" . Mar 27, 2011 · Imbel and DSA are the only two (that I'm aware of) that are drop forged completely heat treated steel. I purchased some time later last year. I Agree. Feedback: 165 / 0 / 0. First things First: Steel plants make "ingots" (large, and weigh tons) by pouring molten steel into a mold. Or should I just go with a blank type 1 or some other route like DSA. Not sure of the origin's on the DSA prefixed receivers, if not LMT. Make sure you also lube the charging handle and when you reinstall the gas plug make sure it’s positioned properly and not for grenades. #5 · Aug 21, 2015. For sale is an Isreali LB kit with DSA cast Isreali marked receiver. The trigger group is marked USA. Below is the code for the activity_main. As I understand it, up until a few years ago, DSA receivers were machined from a forged billet, just a rectangular block. Jul 21, 2000 · 2,699. Feb 13, 2008 · Feedback: 1 / 0 / 0. The Grayslake receivers are more desirable than the Lake Barrington, especially if it has the carry handle cut. It should be noted the 21" models that are selling for $900 right now have CAST receivers rather than the FORGED receivers found on the higher priced ($1700) DSA models. The complete Para shoots like a dream. Feb 25, 2003 · DSA Receiver numbers I have a first year production RIFLE from DSA, Serial no. May 7, 2020 · Founding Member. 56mm NATO ammo. Would this be correct with " Gew. Jul 1, 2013 · LOL On the side of the receiver it is stamped DSA on the other side it says SA58. " DSA FAL Tactical Carbine, Never Fired + 9 Magazines". DSA is 6-8 weeks out from order date to shipment. DSA was an importer late 80s-early 90s. Specifications: 21″ New U. Start making smaller locking shoulders and bigger wedges. Picture #1 and #3 are the SS cast receivers. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. The DSA bolts are known to have issues which led to their purchase of several thousand NOS Aussie bolts, many of which went to Voyager rifles I thought. Dsarms receiver information. FALaholic # 12330 Joined Nov 6, 2003 Posts 4,257 Location Tulsa. 4. Jan 28, 2015 · The main difference between the two is that the Voyager has the cast receiver, and the $1700 one has the standard forged receiver. All new DSA receivers are cast. DSA took care of it by headspacing and installing the barrel and providing a locking shoulder at no charge. DSA was established in 2004. xml file. Enable the wireless projection function from the drop-down toolbar at the top of the phone. Sep 29, 2016 · Entréprise earlier receivers were machined from billet. Thread starter EX1; Start date 25 minutes ago; E. Feb 24, 2020 · You just missed a beautiful Rhodie clone DSA for 825 shipped. You can still buy forged receivers from DSA. I have an older forged DSA R1 Rhodesian receiver (2012 I believe) with a mixed SA/RA kit on it. These are forged receivers that are commonly regarded as the best you can buy. Value – 3/5. You must be at least 18 years of age to access this website and the content within. Posted: Mar 06 2017 at 8:38am. The same barrel timed perfectly with a new Imbel receiver. DSA had my returned receiver for well over a month and no progress was being made towards its replacement. Jan 18, 2022 · Step 1: Create a New Project. But that was with a type 3 cast, which was made with less lighting cuts to increase strength. This applies to both the forged and the cast, with the forged (not L1A1) often missing a tiny but critical relief cut on the underside as were the Coonans. #2. Jesse the Russian New The Marketplace feedback ratings system is now back. Browning switched to cast receivers with better steel for the Post-94 Mark III BHPs when they found out the forged receivers (used to that point) couldn't handle the 40 S&W stresses. Kal. ) It seems like DSA is probably the best bet given that they’re the only full-service FAL maker in the US today, even if they’re not perfect. The original FAL receivers were cast and Coonan Inc also makes cast receivers that are very well respected. Hello, It is a known fact that LMT forged FAL receivers for DSA: The ones with the DS prefix in the SNs. jpg. The early CAI cast are based on a Special Weapons mold and took sintered Stainless Steel. Definitely prior to 2015, I suspect somewhere in the 2012 range. Journal size seems to be correct, I cannot pressed the as blocks on by hand. Comes with two lugged barrels, both DSA, from two different runs. Could be less with a type 1 or type 2 cast. Just picked up a kit and I want to build a nice clone. But the early kits with early receivers command a premium. DSA and ARMS both make topcovers that do not require upper receiver modifications. one I bought here on the files and later on I bought one directly from DSA. If a Century has a problem it's a "POS", but if a DSA has a problem it just need "BREAKING IN". Easily, my favorite rifle. Fabrique Nationale (FN) type I and type II receivers = milled from a forging, 1953-1973. 7075 is about as "strong" as steel and at a superficial glance should work as a replacement material. An original Galil AR or ARM would cost about $3,000 while an ACE costs about $2,400. Nov 2, 2008 · I know DSA is forged and Century is cast, but I haven't heard if any cast receivers breaking or wearing out. First off, the upper receiver only needs to be cut if you use the orginal FN or Imbel top cover in the unmodified condition. I’m hearing that Coonan used to be good and isn’t anymore, but others may have a different report. Your Argy kit was probably originally a type 3 and had a special receiver cut special to Argies. Much to his credit R1shooter stepped in, and along with the Apr 15, 2019 · 2Adefender nailed it in regards to DSA's current receivers. Your FFL MUST accept transfers from an individual. 010" off the surfaces top work around the problem, ALL DSA current production receivers manifest with shooting way low. - Ryan. To create a new project in Android Studio please refer to How to Create/Start a New Project in Android Studio. A brief summary of some info may be helpful. Ingots are hot rolled to make smaller "blooms". Oct 31, 2023 · Posted: 11/1/2023 8:53:55 AM EDT. But the things that will wear out first are going to be your typical gun things that wear out Feb 11, 2012 · I use Type 1 DSA cast or forged series with no other novelty markings. Early DSA made receivers were marked Grayslake, those are some of the finest made modern FaL receivers…. Just a "public service" announcement. After reading some of the forums here, I added a . Feb 20, 2012 · DSA unfortunately shipped me a cast the receiver - they did exchange it. Posted: 2/8/2017 4:40:29 PM EDT. A few years ago they went to a more 'receiver-shaped' hammer forging. With the receiver demand slower I suppose the business decision was to have less inventory and stock the basic receivers which may also be moving at a slower rate. The cast receivers are not available to be purchased as receivers only simply due to demand and are unlikely to be for a while, odds are the rifle listed on the website may not be available in any sort of quantity for 6-8 months due to a huge back log. Aug 15, 2013 · 1,531. I tried to fit a G1 barrel to a cast DSA receivers. S. Grays Lake was DSAs old location then they moved to Lake Barrington. Topic: Forged Steel Receivers vs Cast Steel Receivers. I have often believed over the years that some builders for profit tend to find issues with certain commercial receivers, domestic made parts and general building specifications just to drum up business for themselves. The more expensive one has an adjustable rear sight and the Voyager has the Holland sight, which is just another variation of rear sight that FALs have been made with throughout history. Mar 13, 2023 · Selling my cast DSA Type 1 receiver. 62x51mm NATO Chamber & Bore; Non-Threaded Muzzle; Bayonet Lug; Type 1 Carry Handle Cut Receiver – Featuring Israeli Markings and a Matte Black DuraCoat Finish Nov 30, 2020 · November 30, 2020 ·. Nov 10, 2012 · This is exactly why the Williams receivers failed. Sep 11, 2022 · How do these cast receivers build up? Reading some recents posts by gunplumber he states he has experienced more issues with the DSA forged receivers compared to cast. Attachments: dust cover 3. I noticed that the pre assembled rifles come only with cast receivers and the forged receivers are sold separately and in limited runs. DS Arms is a quality firearms manufacturer specializing in the FAL Rifle, AR15 Rifle and RPD Rifle and latest parts & accessories Dec 23, 2020 · Here are some photos of my build - the kit, the original cracked ejector block, and the dust cover. May 13, 2023 · Selling another DSA Type 1 receiver. The magazine fits perfectly into the magazine well. Keep in mind that demand continues to increase for these, while supply isn't moving. As far as the current receivers, drop DrShock (falfiles user) a line and ask his opinion. The rifle appears to be all manufactured and assembled by DSA. Some say the quality of DSA marked receivers can be sub-par, but I have no experience with that. 7,62 mm. Gen 2/X15 Lower Receiver; M4E1 Upper Receivers - Threaded vs Enhanced; What you will need after buying an AR15 Stripped Lower Receiver; What you will need after buying an AR15 Stripped Upper Receiver; BREACH Charging Handle; A Rundown On How To Buy A Suppressor; Anatomy of a Barrel; Do you make your own components in house? Mar 2, 2019 · Other than sub-par engraving on an Israeli-style upper that I sent back for replacement, I've been very pleased with the three DSA receivers I have - one forged and two cast. Now this is not a knock on cast receivers, I am probably their biggest fan, ( luv me some Century receivers) but there is a reason DSA and IMBEL receivers are widely reguarded as the best. Feedback: 14 / 0 / 0. [#4] I'm pretty sure Mark at Arizona Response Systems (ARS) is currently building L1A1 kits on those newer DSA inch receivers. From what little I have read from the FAL files, the DSA parts kit build have serial number and the full DSA build don't. Payment via USPS money order. Is this typical with these DSA receivers Mar 6, 2017 · Points: 1150. It is equipped with a DSA scope base and rear peep sight and a PSG-style pistol grip. Aug 20, 2015 · 109 posts · Joined 2014. These were the "new" painted lowers. Asking $375 shipped SPF to Gunhaver. I already have a SA58 Carbine from them and it is a phenomenal weapon. Launch the cast receiver app on your PC. I called them and got a May 23, 2024 · WTS: DSA Cast Type II Receiver SPF. Sometime in late 2019, with the Israeli, the defects have become notably less, so I did not run a written analysis on every receiver since then. check front of receiver lug for contact. Century Arms International makes a cast FAL receiver that was included both on complete rifles and available by itself. Considering it does not have a chrome-lined or nitrided barrel, that’s a bit steep. DS serial number receivers were made by LMT. However, looking at their DSA Cast Receivers. B DS is making forged receivers again, and from what I’ve read the forged receivers just are good for like 40k-50k rounds and the cast are around 10k take that for what you will. Start making the cast ones right. You can now leave feedback for your Buy / Sell / Trade transactions. If you need to sell it within 15 minutes of posting, $450 is a good price. They have the best options & retail prices on the market. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. 308 rifles. Avoid DSA prefix rifles, as they use cast receivers and "homegrown" parts. May 22, 2024 · WTS: DSA Cast Type II Receiver. Thread starter Jesse the Russian; Start date May 2, 2016; Page 2 of 2 Prev. Room 03, 19/F, New Commerce Centre, 19 On Sum Street, Shatin NT, Hong Kong . 2 steps from Valhalla. Pic of a cast and the last of the forged receivers side by side. Dec 19, 2022 · They are cast into the cast receiver. I cant afford the $2K+ price tag and the 2 month wait for the weapon so I order just the receiver from them for a Para model. Feedback: 47 / 1 / 0. Grayslake predates LMT, and is very prized. And of course, current condition. I had an Imbel FAL that I sold a few years ago and deeply regret. The barrel overtimed hand tight on the receiver at about 11:30. FALaholic # 12330 Joined Nov 6, 2003 Posts 4,271 Location Buy the gun, not the story. On the 4th dust cover photo, you can see where I peened the corner, whereas before it was curled upwards. I Do Not Agree. (Other US-made receivers are cast. 5. I don’t think they even made theirs till 95 (I think, exact dates no clue). Good deals to be had over there. Just get the receiver when they come back in stock and send the whole thing to ARS. They loose head space because the casting is aluminum. The Type III receiver as manufactured by Fabrique Nationale was cast. The rifle also features a DSA-produced Oct 21, 2018 · Recently built out a G1 FAL on a DSA type 1 cast receiver. There are some NOS DCI receivers on Gunbroker with a very reasonable Buy Now price, if anyone needs one. Many Grayslake receivers In fact, I'd be tempted to check out one of the new Galil ACE . From there, DSA does the final machining, giving the barrel its contour. The DS rifles are much more likely to contain real military surplus parts versus their own in house parts. The barrel has a numbers on it but the bolt carrier and bolt don't. com Oct 20, 2013 · The way I see it, DSA has three options. J. DSA Cast Receiver. DSA serial number receivers are made by DSA. View Quote. Step 2: Working with the activity_main. ” IMBEL receivers are induction heat treated at several locations, including the receiver ring, hammer slot, locking ledge, etc. Unlike the receivers for the Garand and the M-14, the FAL receiver is not able to take advantage of forging process for improved mechanical properties Site Disclaimer. Chicago illinois. It is soft. In a nutshell, the same caveat applies to these as applies to a Century rifle- if you can see it run, you're probably OK. All types can be cast or forged, but that does not affect building. Nov 16, 2009 · Indian River, Florida. yk om dy ex pi oh xm hy lo zn